Hi all, I'm 35 yo, British guy and in March 2022 - May 2022 ran Deca for 3 months straight with no PCT. I was missold it and told it was Ibutamoren (a growth-hormone secretagogue), which it **was not**. I wouldn't have ran Deca alone with no PCT otherwise. Around May 2022, I realised I had lost most of the sensation in the head of my penis and my libido had decreased significantly. Since then the numbness has continued to get worse and worse. My libido has essentially flatlined and my penis is cold to the touch. I have always had a very high libido my whole life and this experience has been really tough to manage (especially after the pandemic when I spent nearly 18 months living alone!). To maybe complicate matters, I did run oral Finesteride for 3 months in Nov 22 - Jan 23 which I stopped. That could have made matters worse but I was already numb downstairs so.... My ratings are as follows : -Sex drive: 1/10 -Erection quality: 6/10 - I have 0 morning wood or in the day. It's only when I watch porn can I get mildly hard. -Orgasm Quality 4/10 - My ejaculate doesn't forcefully exit - it's much weaker coming out and doesn't fully expel so there's dribbling afterward -Ability to experience negative emotion - 7/10 -Ability to experience positive emotion - 4/10 -Ability to experience feelings of confidence (feeling good about being you) - 2/10 - I've realised how much my former sex drive was a huge part of my confidence -Feelings of pleasure seeking - 3/10 -Feelings of hunger (thinking about what you will eat and salivating) - 2/10 -Ability to handle stress/ not be affected by stress - 6/10 -Memory and cognitive ability - 4/10 - I'm nowhere near as sharp as I used to be. I have to run meetings with work and now my mind often goes blank, mid-meeting -Sleep quality - 4/10 - I used to hit the pillow and not move for 8 hours. I'm now very inconsistent. For the first year I used to have nightsweats - perhaps my body trying to fix itself but that's stopped now entirely. -Energy levels - 6/10 -Depression - 6/10 -Anxiety 5/10 Last year, after really struggling with the NHS and waiting months and months to see anybody I contacted a Endocrynologist who put me on Proviron for 2 months (one 25mg tablet, twice per day) - made me slightly more hard, but still no sensation. We then moved onto HCG and I've been running that for 2 months (500iu three times per week). It's brought the fullness back to my penis and balls - they're the previous size they were (when not aroused) but there is still no sensation, no morning wood, no libido. I've read on here that guys are taking much higher dosages of HCG...this is something I might try. Any results from using Clematis Combination Drops? I have an appointment with the Andrology Clinic at UCLH in July and then with the Neurologist at UCLH to have a Uronology Test but that's all the way in November 2024 - and the timelines are stressing me out. I've read that the ND can interfere with the morphophysiology of the prostate as well as cause the ED via suppression of the HPG axis. I'm going to ask both professionals at the above departments to scan my dick to see if there is any degeneration in seminiferous tubules caused by ND as it can lead to a spermatogenic dysfunction. Any tips, advice or pointers greatly appreciated. Thanks all, R PS I tried to add a screen grab of blood results but the photo attachment is the same as the link to the left of it

@"ryan8891"#p216 Welcome Ryan! Sorry to hear you've been struggling. Your case does sound like it's more on the severe side. Few questions for you: How did you find this forum? How do you know it was Deca you took? I know you tried to attach your blood result - could you type them out instead with their reference ranges?

@"define"#48 @"ALI-B"#49 @"1testcyp"#52

We'd need to see blood work before we know wether or not this is actually or post nandrolone syndrome or post fina syndrome

@"james993"#p220 I'd say not severe. More mild compared to others, and myself this time last year

Hi both, Thanks for your responses. I found the forum on Google Search - I've been trawling the internet for nearly two years trying to solve my problem but only just stumbled upon this site now. I was sold something called Ibutamoren/MK677 from Predator Nutrition (do not use them!!) and they said on their site it didn't need a PCT as it wasn't an AAS. When I started experiencing these symptoms I emailed them and they then panicked and started back-peddling and telling me that I absolutely had to run a PCT even though their website says not to - ofc this was weeks if not months after I'd stopped (cold turkey) taking the suspected Deca. So I don't know for certain, that it was Nandrolone but my symptoms match it exactly. Plus I gained 6kg - 8kg in 3 months I was taking them. They've discontinued that specific line and rebranded it. If I can find a lab to test the product, I'd be up for buying some more just to test that batch to verify it's legitimacy, or not. Do you know of any sites? There used to be one in Wales, where you'd send it off and they'd do a lab report of the product but I know that's stopped now. Here are my bloods from last year (Aug 2023) before I started my proviron and hcg (I was told everything looks "normal": TSH 2.62 mU/L FREE T3 4.59 pmol/L FREE THYROXINE 20.9 pmol/L FSH 2.7 IU/L LH 5.5 IU/L OESTRADIOL 113 pmol/L TESTOSTERONE 19.9 nmol/L FREE TESTOSTERONE - CALC. 0.441 nmol/L PROLACTIN 232 mU/L I am worried I've burnt myself twice. Once through suspected Nandrolone and another later on through Finesteride. I would get boners and horny between taking both, but still the penis was desensitised after Nandrolone but since the Finesteride, I haven't had morning wood either and I have 0 libido.

Your testosterone levels aren't great but I'm leaning more towards this being post fin syndrome. Get @"james993"#1 intake first

Right, I hear you. But I had a numb penis (especially the glad) prior to taking the Finesteride and subsequent to taking (what I believed to be) Nandrolone. @"james993"#1, what do you reckon on the above?

Did anybody else have headaches when using Deca and nightsweats? I went with Augmented Labs Ibutamoren via Predator Nutrition (total scam)

Copying and pasting an email I sent to Predator Nutrition back in October 2022: 31 Oct 2022, 12:00 to Predator Hi there, Since I emailed things have gotten worse. Not with my gyno - that is fine. The issue I am having is the head of my penis/gland is essentially totally numb - I have no feeling there whatsoever - no pleasure receptors whatsoever. I no longer wake with a morning erection. If I need to urinate, I never have an erection as a reaction to the body needing to urinate. I have unusual headaches that occur and I am generally more anxious, waking in the night often with night sweats with my pillowcase completely drenched. All of these behaviours began in July and are completely foreign to the experiences I have had my whole life. This all began after I took (regrettably) 12.5 - 20mg of Ibutamoren from March to June this year - roughly a 12 week course. Another very peculiar and worrying side effect is that I no longer have hangovers. I used to be very sensitive to alcohol. Two glasses of wine and the next morning a headache without failure. I can now have cocktails, beers and spirits in one night and feel virtually nothing. This is very disconcerting. I have a serious concern that something has altered in my brain causing these symptoms mentioned above. My GP isn't the most proactive but has run tests on my Serum IGF 1 levels, Serum TSH, Serum prolactin, and glucose levels and apparently all are fine. I am a healthy (normally!) and gym fit, 34 year old. Please can you help me, in any way, because I'm losing hope and extremely worried this could be something serious.

@"ryan8891"#p232 I never had headaches on deca. The thing you took was a pill or injectable liquid?

Coming up to 2 years

ryan8891

@james993

I actually not on Discord - should I set up a profile? Or can I remain a guest and get access?

Ranges and results below from recent test:

PSA - TOTAL 29 Feb 2024 - 1.73ug/L. < 2.6 R
FSH 29 Feb 2024 - 4.7IU/L. 1.5 - 12.4
LH 29 Feb 2024 - 8.4IU/L 1.7 - 8.6
OESTRADIOL 29 Feb 2024 - 111pmol/L 41.4 - 159
TESTOSTERONE 29 Feb 2024 - 18.7nmol/L. 8.64 - 29
FREE TESTOSTERONE - CALC. 29 Feb 2024 - 0.362nmol/L. 0.2 - 0.62
PROLACTIN 29 Feb 2024 - 220mIU/L. 86 - 324
SHBG 29 Feb 2024 - 36.7nmol/L. 18.3 - 54.1

Thanks again

james993

ryan8891 yes, you'll need to set up a profile. It's pretty easy.

Thanks for sending reference ranges. Your testosterone and free testosterone are a little bit lower than ideal - typically we want to see them towards the upper end of the reference range. LH is also quite high - we want to see that on the lower end of the range.

It could be worth attempting to improve these, however I think it's very unlikely that these are causing your issues. Especially since you've tried HCG and proviron without much success. It would be helpful to see cortisol and DHEA-S levels too but that's if you're open to do more testing.

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